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  • Just some thoughts I've compiled with regards to when exactly Secret History takes place in relation to The Return. Here I've placed arguments in favor of it taking place before and arguments in favor of it taking place after.

    Before (The Secret History is 2016, The Return is sometime after that):

    • TP mentions in Secret History that Agent Cooper skipped town in the early 90s, and has not been seen since. If The Return takes place in 2014, then we know for a fact she has seen him, which would mean the Return would have to be after Secret History. This early 90s date also puts the doppelgänger’s departure during that time period, which the show claims happened right after he returned from Glastonbury Grove, and when Major Briggs was killed.
      • Of course, Mark Frost has had a couple of issues with dates and stuff in TSHTP, so we’ll have to wait on that front.
    • TP mentions in her notes (on pages 312-313) that Jeffries has been missing since 1989, and that she has some basic information on him. In Part 4, she asks who Phillip Jeffries is, and when Albert simply says he’s a former agent of the FBI, she expectantly listens, as though she’s been waiting to find out more about him after seeing his name in the dossier.

    After (The Return is 2014, The Secret History is still 2016):

    • TP mentions in her notes (on pages 312-313) that Jeffries has been missing since 1989, and that she has some basic information on him. In Part 4, she asks who Phillip Jeffries is, and when Albert simply says he’s a former agent of the FBI, she expectantly listens, as though she’s never heard the name before.
      • It goes both ways.
    • Agent Preston mentions she has been taken off active duty once she finishes the first dossier. She’s definitely working at the start of The Return: in fact, she’s already investigating a different murder.
    • Cole’s opening letter mentions the dossier was recovered from a murder scene under active investigation and may be related to Cooper’s investigation. We’ve been getting vague hints that the murder of Ruth Davenport had something to do with the Black Lodge and may have been committed by the doppelgänger. There’s also a fan theory (though I myself am doubtful about it) that the unknown body belongs to Major Briggs. Was the dossier recovered in Ruth Davenport’s apartment? Will the investigation continue after the season is over?
      • Or, and I shudder to consider this…could the murder happen later this season?

    In the middle (Secret History is somehow concurrent with The Return)?

    • Cole’s opening letter mentions the dossier was recovered from a murder scene under active investigation and may be related to Cooper’s investigation. We’ve been getting vague hints that the murder of Ruth Davenport had something to do with the Black Lodge and may have been committed by the doppelgänger. There’s also a fan theory (though I myself am doubtful about it) that the unknown body belongs to Major Briggs. Was the dossier recovered in Ruth Davenport’s apartment? It’s somewhat unlikely the season will end without her murder being solved (but hey, they never wanted to solve Laura Palmer’s murder).
      • It took TP almost a month to read and annotate the dossier. When would she have time to do that this season?

    So just a couple of ideas. Thoughts? Further evidence? More objections? Let me know.

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    • it's not very clear at the moment, the events at Twin Peaks' sheriff station seem to be in 2014 or 2015 since Wally is 24 and was born in 1989 (or 1990 at most, his birthdate does not make sence, I doublt Lynch or Frost actuallt checked if Brnado's birthday was OK with the events of season 2)

      But personally I think the events with the rest of the cast could be at some other time, we will know when/if the dossier appears in the series:

       - Cooper may have waited 25 years in his personal timeline to see Laura again but it does not mean that he came out 25 years after entering given the non linear flow of time in the Lodge)

       -In TSHOTP, the first FBI statements declare that the dossier being found and Preston investigation on it happened in 2016 and that it probably is linked to 1991's crimes. That makes it 25 years later and maybe Laura was cryptically saying a clue to cooper about this case and not actually their own situation.

      Personally, I would avoid putting the year of the revival's events on the wiki until we know more or when nothing new is planned for release maybe (so, after the revival's ended and after Mark Frost's Final Dossier's been published).

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    • I'd say it's completely safe to assume 2014 because of 'see you again in 25 years' and Wally's age matches up with this.

      As for Wally's birthdate complication, I have said before that it would not be out-of-character for Andy or Lucy to not actually know Marlon Brando's birthday. But of course, this is pure speculation based on knowing these characters so well.

      As for the Secret History, Frost has said the supposed issues will be solved in time. And he's said he wrote it after season 3, so he had to have known what he was doing. Perhaps much of the dossier (including Preston's notes) is fabricated? I mean, the fact that Chrysta Bell doesn't provide her voice in the audiobook could mean something, or equally as likely nothing at all. And with the confirmation of Briggs' death being mere days after the finale, we're not entirely sure if he's the true Archivist anyway since it contains information that had to have been acquired after his death.

      For now, for the purposes of the Wiki, I think we should use the dates that have been given to us, which are "25 years later" (which is most likely 2014) for season 3 and 2016 for Secret History. Anything else is speculation, and the Wiki should be based on the information we've been given. Any complications can be cleared up once we have all of the information we need.

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    • Yes I agree, it's just that I would personally avoid stating the year just in case any complications comes up and we have to correct a big bunch of pages.

      Something else of note: in Part4, on the doppelganger fingerprint form we see in the uper left corner that it was taken on the 9/22. So, assuming it is 2014 and that the events of the episodes don't have some time trickery going on, then we know the precise day of every part so far through dialogue (2 days before the Lodge open / the day before the lodge opens / the day the lodge opens= September 22 / the day after mr C was arrested).

      Also, we can see that in Part1, Bill Hastings's driving license shows that it was issued on 08/15/2012 and expires on 08/15/2017 which is not much more precise than what we already know.

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    • Interesting. Keep in mind that dates said out loud should probably hold more credibility than what we see written in the show. If I recall correctly, in the original series, Emory Battis' pocketbook stated 1990 dates in it, but now it has been firmly established since that the original series takes place during February and March of 1989.

      And as for the file on Bad Coop that we see, it also contains Hastings' personal info, so it seems that either something fishy is going on or someone in the crew got lazy and nobody noticed/cared.

      It should be noted that oftentimes, props with writing on them often contain just random information rather than precise attention to narrative detail, so they should always be taken with a healthy helping of salt. An example of this in Twin Peaks is the news article on Jonathan's death: http://imgur.com/C3zpwEe

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    • In part1, Hastings is interrogated on a Saturday since when asked what he did the 3-4 days before, he answered what he did through Wednesday to Friday.

      If we do the math with the date on the fingerprint arrest thingy, that would make September 20th a Saturday which fits with the 2014 year but not with the 2016 one

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    • Well, if this doesn't complicate things, apparently Chrysta Bell read Secret History after she finished filming and thinks it takes place before the new season. "I mean, as I’m watching Twin Peaks, I’m learning about what my character does later."

      To be fair, though, everyone except Kyle MacLachlan has been kept in the dark about the new show. At this point still too soon to tell.

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    • Interesting... the plot thickens.

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    • My head's starting to hurt. Now we have Bill Hasting's tie-in website listed as "last updated November 2015." Yet they're still running with the 25 years later date.

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    • Also, Hastings says during his interview with Tammy that he's 43, which would bump it to 2016 since his ID says he was born in 1973. The year is definitely not the most clear information we've been given.

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    • Do we agree that Hastings signed 9/29 on the major's picture? (the "tail" he did under what would be a zero has no other reason to be there and it matches the Truman scene with 10/1 being in 2 days). I did not count the days, but does it match with mr c's arrest being on 9/22?

      The last update on the website is the latest guest, asking where Hastings is, in November (since the site does not publish fan comments anymore, i'll ignore them). And there is a comment from september 8 about a video so they all were still active by then, and the show. At least if the show is in 2015, the site would not conflict much with the days given so far since they said the latest journal entry by bill was 2 weeks ago.

      Most of the shooting was done, or at least began, in 2015 so maybe, like when they shot the original series, they just took the year of the production shooting?

      Anyway, I'm still on the fence about the year of the revival, but it seems that 2015 is more likely since it's the first direct reference we've seen (if taking the site as canon but with the ARG that seems to be going on with a guy on reddit claiming to have found a CD at the coordinates, and no statement from Frost and co stating otherwise...). IIRC other year indications were the 25 years references or wally being 24 which are less precise. Also all the major plots now seem to be connected with no more than a few days between them (the fbi goes to buckhorn, the fbi contacts mr c, mr c contacts todd, jade posts the key to twin peaks)

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    • At this point I think we should get rid of the 2014 dates from all the pages and just use "25 years later" until we get something definite.

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    • This confusion could be completely deliberate on Lynch/Frost's part the more I think about it, haha.

      I honestly haven't been too concerned with what year to place it in, so I'll go with anything that's agreed upon. But we should see what Pyramidhead thinks since he's been working pretty hard on the Timeline.

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    • I'm okay to move it to 2010s if everyone wants that instead?

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    • it seems safer imo

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    • Yeah, that might be the best thing to do. I just did a scroll through the subreddit and there seems to be a general disagreement/confusion over the matter.

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    • Looking into this, if we're assuming Secret History is same universe as The Return, Part 12 with Agent Preston's recruitment seems to imply it takes place prior to the events of the Return, inconsistent dates notwithstanding.

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    • Yeah, that stood out to me as well... I guess the best we can do right now is just wait and see how it all pans out.

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    • The Saturday September 24 bit says it's 2016, which actually fits perfectly with the dossier being found in August, followed by shit popping off a month later

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    • (More of an opinion, but I'd just like to say that looking at how inaccurate some of my initial predictions were on May 30 shows just how little we knew about the new show and just how unpredictable it's been!)

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    • Seriously. The only predictions I've gotten correct are a few casting choices.

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    • Welp...apparently not even the show knows what year it is.

      (I give up.)

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    • maybe its not about understanding it, findig logic like in a normal story, maybe its more about its dream-likeness of it all.

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    • Not sure why it wasn't discussed before but at the end of Secret History Tammy says she has no idea what became of Cooper or Major Briggs, and in the series she learns in great detail what happened to both of them. Safe to say the series is in 2016 or later?

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    • Well, it's pretty clear linear narrative means little in Twin Peaks. But I think it's safe to say series is 2016 or later, post TSHOTP.

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    • Yeah the only thing I can think of off the top of my head that wouldn't work with 2016 is Wally's age which really isn't that important in the grand scheme of it all.

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    • Clearly, 2016 TSHOTP is meant to be before Season 3 (the whole jeffries/blue rose stuff was unknwon to her at the time of the dossier) but some goofs indicate that it was shot in 2015 (miriam's hospital screen, the car plates).

      I don't know how much input Frost and Lynch had on the searchforthezone website but it indicates that Hastings disappeared in 2015.

      Maybe we should wait for the other Frost book before making chosing anything, since it would be based on his first book anyway?

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    • the year is something between 2015 and 2016

      you can see this number (1516) clearly on the top of carrie paige apartment in odessa

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    • ...that's not an indicator. Or an apartment, come to think of it.

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    • maybe but with lynch nothing is a coincidence.

      in fact i think the finale was a disappointment for fans

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    • That's not an indicator either. Or a coincidence. Really nothing you've put here seems relevant to the conversation...?

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    • Ahem...so, should we wait until Final Dossier comes out for any final date confirmations or should we just say on all articles that Secret History takes place before The Return, barring any year inconsistencies which are understandable given how long this was in production?

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    • I'd say we can definitely place Secret History before the Return as it makes the most sense. I assume (dangerous, I know) Final Dossier won't cause much further confusion unless, heaven forbid, someone's address number tells us it takes place in 1492.

      I don't mind waiting for it to come out either since it's really not that far away.

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    • Very glad to report that The Final Dossier clears things up in the very first chapter. Don't know if it would count as a "spoiler" but anyone opposed if I automate the switch from 2010s to 2016?

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    • Awesome! I'm unopposed.

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    • In the middle (Secret History is somehow concurrent with The Return)?
      • Cole’s opening letter mentions the dossier was recovered from a murder scene under active investigation and may be related to Cooper’s investigation. We’ve been getting vague hints that the murder of Ruth Davenport had something to do with the Black Lodge and may have been committed by the doppelgänger. There’s also a fan theory (though I myself am doubtful about it) that the unknown body belongs to Major Briggs. Was the dossier recovered in Ruth Davenport’s apartment? It’s somewhat unlikely the season will end without her murder being solved (but hey, they never wanted to solve Laura Palmer’s murder).
        • It took TP almost a month to read and annotate the dossier. When would she have time to do that this season?

      So just a couple of ideas. Thoughts? Further evidence? More objections? Let me know.

      Holy crap. I actually got something right, along with the plot hole it makes.

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    • It's a real mess now. All I can figure is:

      • Season 3 happens
      • Tammy sticks around a few weeks to look around, talk to people, has her freak out with the newspaper, flies back
      • Mid October: The first dossier is found in the basement, submitted; Tammy spends a few months working on that (what used to be August 2016)
      • Tammy writes up the second report by September next year

      I know that they basically wrote Parts 1 & 2 as a new pilot without knowing where it would all go, so I guess a whole lot of extra time in the middle got lost somewhere. Seems like Hastings getting arrested and questioned was supposed to be weeks or even months before everything else happened.

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